Anyone else noticed the glaring oxymoron in "Vote Consevative Vote For Change" ?

Not really: simply means a change of government.

And Conservative governments over the centuries have brought about massive changes, from forming the police and abolishing slavery in the early 19th century, to the massive economic reforms brought about under Thatcher.

Another Oxymorn would be Labour's: "Fairness, it's in our DNA". Unless you are called Mrs Duffy, of course.

Lordy ! People still remember what she did you know,have you met any miners ? At least our local trains and buses have been re-nationalised,granted now owned by Deutche Rail (German Government owned rail company) ,but at least the trains may run on time !!! :D

That didn't make much sense.

Arriva Trains Wales may be scraping the bottom of the barrel, particularly with their exceptionally horrible 158s through Shrewsbury (although they do have the excuse of a no-growth franchise). But why am I supposed to celebrate that more of our railways have been bought up by an arm of the German state?

Still, both Peter Mandelson and Ken Clarke are both on record telling us that Kraft gobbling up Cadbury's is good for British workers, so what else can you expect? Traitors.

Well, put it this way: W&S have acheived the highest satisfaction rating in history...

Now Arriva Trains Wales have taken over, Shropshire might be saved from the bloody awful trains they provide (I thought their buses could be bad....)

In reality, although owned by DB, I do believe W&S are basically UK run, even if they have merged into Chiltern Trains franchise (also owned by DB).

And if your really worried about DB taking over our railways, well look at this way, Govia who I do not believe are german owned also seem to aquiring more franchises, including London Midland!

Leave Ken Clarke out of it! His knowledge of football is second to none! He follows the great Nottingham Forest! :)

BAH! I wonder if a joke here could be made based on Nottinghams (aka Shottinghams) reputation for gangs and guns?

If you think Arriva Trains Wales is bad, just try London Midland. :angry:

I cannot say that I am relishing life under the Tory Lib coalition I envisage more destruction of Britain and its culture more enviornmental scaremongering and more of the hated EU,not to mention the few jobs available being snatched up by EU migrants.
Labour under Brown and Blair I think was the worse government this country has ever seen.

Nope your getting confused with Thatcher.

Thatcher made mistakes yes but unlike Brown and Bliar she was patriotic,New Liebour were the most anti British government ever,Thather encouraged enterprise Labour destroyed it,Thatcher always batted for Britain and the British unlike Labour who always fourght against us Gordon even removed Britannia from the coins disgusting Traitor I would rather Thatcher to anything we have now although Nigal Frage would be good where Britain is concerned.

Blimey,have you ever met a miner or a printworker or a steel worker?what Thatcher did was sell the country for cash,now whernever my little girl goes to the tap for a drink,someone makes profit out of it! She sold the railways to wideboys,the telephone and gas services ended up in the hands of hedgefunds....these things were a service provided by government and taxpayers now they are money making outfits.we told her what we thought about her during the poll tax riots,she was gone within weeks! imagine if the million who marched against the war had rioted we wouldn't have lost all those boys in Afganistan and Iraq.Blair thatcher Brown Farge all the same mate!

So I presume then that you are a Labour voter one of a dying breed so what is the legacy of your government.
1/ Small business destroyed by over regulation,compliance,transportation costs,daft employment laws too high levels of corporation tax and a government that refuses to offer help or allow enterprise to make money.
2/ In a recession swamping us with migrants and immigrants taking the jobs from the very people they are supposed to represent.
3/ giving £billions in overseas aid but not saving Rover or LDV.
4/driving big business away from Britain because of what I have already mentioned,ie insurance companies,Bt call centres etc.
Your Labour government built an economy based on house inflation and debt and that is all.
I do not deny Thatcher made mistakes but compared to the tribe of expense fiddleing lying Traitors we have just kicked out I know damn well who I would rather have.

Er....no,your presumption is wrong! No Labour voter me.Revolutionary Anarchist would about cover it. Rules but no rulers,we really dont need the old etonian,oxbridge lot to represent us any more.We all have red buttons on our tvs and mobiles etc,it seems we vote habitually for Strictly Come Big Brothers Talent etc etc etc on ice! So we can now make the decisions and get rid of politicians entirely.Parliament would simply be there as an executive to carry out our decisions.Real proper democracy is now available but they will never let go of power we will have to take it off them.If voting truly changed anything they would make it illegal quick as you like. The politicians of all parties have,as I'm sure you agree let us all down and now its time to get the cheating lying buggers out for good!

We actually have some common ground here,like you I know for certain that the main political parties do not represent my beliefs and aspirations,I am 100% anti EU there is no way that David Cameron is as he implies Euroskeptic he has been bourght like the rest of them,the EU does not offer anything to the man in the street that warrants giving away sovereignity and control of our borders etc for,to a politician it opens doors to career prospects and financial gain,that is why politicians are leading us into somthing that the vast majority of us despise.
I have mostly in the past voted Conservative but now I cannot agree with their EU policies I now vote UKIP.
UKIP are not perfect but they do represent the views of many patriotic Brits witch I class myself as without the racist element,I want Britain back not some disgusting Blue flag with stars on I want Britannia back on our coins and I certainly do not accept or recognise some jumped up Belgium pillock as our president.

You would be surprised how many people dont think I'm mad any more! I'm used to people disagreeing violently,but these days when I say "POLITICIANS ? WANKERS !" more and more agree,its amazing! Personally in my ideal world there would be no flags and no borders,just people getting on with life.The biggest secret the government have is how good life SHOULD be! Medieaval peasants got more time off than us!

I believe real social unrest is brewing in this Country and it will take little to set it off,most people especially us older people hate what is happening to our country and detest the EU and the traitors behind it.
I have friends I have known for years normal working people who are so angry they now support the BNP,I confess having looked at them but not for me,UKIP have credability and are non agressive I believe out of all the political parties they best represent my views.

I disagree Peter and do not feel you can safely say most people agree with your views either.

Whilst I respect you disagree with my views I do stress that according to You Guv ,Morray and Express pols that have been taken recently also over the last couple of years they are consistant that the public are against a federal Europe I have taken quite an interest in this subject and am alarmed at what is happening to our democracy and freedom because of this union.
My oposition to mass Immigration is not based on any form of hatred or dislike of foreigners on the contrary I have friends from many nationalities,it is the political motivation for them being here I disagree with.

In 10,000 years time, the human race will probably be slightly coffee-coloured Christo-Judaic-Islamic-Bhuddist-Hindu-Jedi-Atheistical bisexual hermaphrodites and all borders will become meaningless.

Could mean the end for Jeremy Kyle.

You may well be right.

"Mrs Thatcher did the wrong things, but from good motives. Mr Brown did the wrong things due to malice." Discuss. ;)

Thatcher was the daughter of a small businesman so basically had a background working in a small enterprise,and knew similar people running business and companies including her husband Dennis,she I believe had a genuine empathy with business but if crossed she did not know when to back off.
I think under Thatcher there certainly was a feel good factor about Great Britain and you felt she was fighting for us and the country.
The Miners were always well paid and well looked after but they were never happy and always wanted more,Thatcher certainly stood up to them and quite rightly but in allowing a whole industry to die I would say was not a good move,I believe towards the end she was on a power kick and stopped listening to anyone and everyone a shame but her own fault this led to her down fall I still believe though despite many mistakes an outstanding politician a good states person and ambassador to Britain.
Gordon Brown son of a preacher man or so he says,an academic maybe but certainly not a people person or anyone with knowledge of business or small enterprise.
Brown rubbed most people up the wrong way he taxed and drove up business costs to breaking point,he actually made employers scared to employ or expand,and gave the impression that he was anti Britain and its people.
He appeared to have no loyalty either to his country or its population,he came first all the time and he cared for nobody other then his self his career and ambition always had priority.
Yes he had a temper tantrum if he could not have his own way,he was vindictive and spiteful and like a spoilt child he would destroy somthing if he could not have it.
A totally false and insencere man totally unlikable arogant but also incompetant.
Thatcher had many faults and yes people either love or loathe her but frankly we have no party leader at present in a league anywhere close to her.
Gordon Brown in my opinion without doubt along with Tony Bliar the worse British Prime Minister ever.